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that's what it looks like from up here

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thank you Ed

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I'm actually six two

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and good morning everyone I want to

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thank Ellen and Monty and the rest of

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the Austin mufon organization as far

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being such wonderful hosts for my

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husband and me and this is our first

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time to participate in a muffon

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conference so you're making a very good

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impression

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um I am very pleased to be able to speak

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with you today today especially as the

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first speaker because after this I can

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really relax and enjoy the rest of the

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conference

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the topic of my presentation is the

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alien human abduction agenda and I think

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it's such an important one I'm ready

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just to jump right in but I think there

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are a few of you who may wonder who I am

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and why I'm up here so perhaps I would

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introduce myself

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I'm an abductee and I'm use that term

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because I have been forcibly taken and

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controlled by non-human entities

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which

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makes this an alien abductee situation

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now some of you may know about the

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experiences my family and I have endured

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I have recorded those and into the

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French which Berkeley published in 1992.

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and it focuses uh most intensely on the

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period from 1987 through 1990 when we

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were forced to become consciously aware

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of the alien encounters that we've been

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having ever since childhood

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and it also relates much of what we

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learned about earlier encounters through

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a lengthy investigation in conjunction

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with the researcher Barbara barclick

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but I did have a life before Fringe that

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was very happy very fulfilling and I

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think reasonably normal considering the

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fact that I came of age in the 1960s and

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the hippie generation

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I do have a provocative little theory

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about the relationship of the hippie

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generation to the abduction phenomena

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but I think that's going to have to wait

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for another presentation

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in my 20s I traveled around the world

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and yes I did it with a backpack

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I married I had a son and I managed to

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earn a couple of degrees along the way I

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got a Bachelor's in English from

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California State University in

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Sacramento and I received a and I know

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this sounds a little strange but I

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received a masters in American studies

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from the University in Nottingham

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England they have a different view it

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was a very unusual course

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in my 30s I settled down a little bit

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more and I continued to raise my fam my

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son I also managed to earn a PhD in

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English while teaching college for 12

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years

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my son has now grown

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he's a holds a masters in physics he's

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married and raising his first child so

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there is Sweet Revenge in this world

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my husband and I I was divorced and

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remarried in the late 1970s my husband

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and I have moved in the last three years

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to rural Arkansas where we lived deep in

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the woods on a Mountainside near the

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Arkansas River

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and outside of ufology which for me is

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anything but a hobby I I do have other

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interests and activities

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I love visiting with my grandchild I

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study the usefulness of the wild plants

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that grow on the Mountainside where we

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live I have a great deal of fun playing

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with my Chihuahuas and I enjoy the music

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and the concerts of Bruce Springsteen so

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I I do have some other interests here

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old hippies never give up their Hobbies

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I quit teaching college in 1991 and

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since then have devoted is uh was

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mentioned earlier all of my efforts to

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abduction research and beginning first

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in conjunction with Barbara barthelite

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when I was in Texas looking into reports

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in the Texas Oklahoma area

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and then later independently researching

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cases around the country

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my most recent work is reported in the

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new book taken that was referred to Also

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earlier that was published this past

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April by kelp works

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I hope we will by the time I'm through

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talking understand all of the

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connotations that I imply with the title

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it is not just the abduction aspect that

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I'm talking about

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as both an abducting and a researcher

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into other people's experiences I feel

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that I have a somewhat expanded context

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or knowledge of this phenomenon my own

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experiences have taught me many things

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about the nature of alien activity

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but that insight has been greatly

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expanded by the context of so many other

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reports I've been able to to study and

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it has helped me to see well beyond the

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limits of the individual experience if

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we judge the entire phenomenon only by

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our personal experiences we're going to

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get a very distorted view the context

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the unique elements as well as the

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similar elements are all very important

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for a student have a chance of a glimmer

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of understanding what may be behind this

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phenomena

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yet even having been through these

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things lived with people who've been

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through these things have studied

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literally hundreds of personal and

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first-hand reports about these

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activities I know very little about the

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Stanton mentioned the need to hold

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ourselves to facts in this field

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think that is extremely important we

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should repeat that 10 times a day as we

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go through the work in this area

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the problem of course with the abduction

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phenomena is with a lot of ufology is

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that the nature of the alien activity is

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designed deliberately to keep us from

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having much in the way of concrete

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evidence

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designed that way it is not an accident

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so it is difficult to feel confident of

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many facts

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the dictionary defines facts as things

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and ideas which are demonstrably

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objectively verified and known to be

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and at this point given everything I've

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learned internally and from external

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evidence there are so very few things

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I'm willing to call facts the list is

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so today instead of

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regaling or educating or entertaining

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photos of the body markings and the

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drawings of the spacecraft and Aliens

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which I have done and could do

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of perspective which is of course the

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theme of this mufon symposium

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to share with you my list of facts and

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then try to take you Beyond The Fringe

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of this phenomenon and Into the Heart of

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the abduction scenario

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now I'm going to begin by discussing my

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list of facts before I go on to two

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other issues propaganda and fantasy

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because I think it's on the basis of the

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facts that I have been able to discern

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what I can about the data in the other

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so this will be a very short list I hope

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we do not know with any certainty

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exactly what these entities may be

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terrestrial and origin some combination

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of all of the above

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something we have yet to even dream of

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I'm going to use the term alien merely

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for convenience and I am not implying

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that I believe they are from another

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planet

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certainly they may well be we just don't

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know and that's a fact

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the aliens themselves have identified a

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number of different Origins to various

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abductees and contactees throughout the

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but of course we humans have absolutely

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no way to check out any of the

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statements that they've made

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therefore we cannot know these things as

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the dictionary says about facts to be

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certain to be objectively verifiable

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and I'm stating this with all of the

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tact and diplomacy and self-control that

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sorry through the past decades the

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aliens have made and you all know this

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if you're familiar with your ufology

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history have made various predictions

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and promises and given a number of very

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specific warnings about impending events

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and you and I all know when we look at

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the record of what's happened since then

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that very few of these things and none

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this is not a reliable source

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personal experience so one such scenario

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that should make us question the things

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The Fringe I recount the story of a

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young man that I had known since he was

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11 years old he and my son grew up

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together with his family now we're close

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friends and I have a great deal of

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confidence in who this person is and his

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he went through an intense

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series of encounters and abductions as

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we all were doing in this particular

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group during 1987 and 88 and 89 and one

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of the entities with whom he had

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repeated almost regular contact was an

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entity who described itself as an

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interdimensional being

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stating that its group was 10th

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dimensional and knew about the 11th the

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way we know about the fourth tension

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this entity would appear in various

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physical guises during its encounters

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nebulous form sometimes it would be a

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human looking woman but sometimes only

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at one point in an extraordinary weekend

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of events which are recorded in detail

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of state to a particular area

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he was at his grandparents house and was

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abducted in the middle of the night and

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where this woman materialized in in full

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five years of that date he and a few

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other people including us and several

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others in the area would be activated to

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perform our jobs our tasks that it

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didn't matter where we would be at that

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time it didn't matter what we were doing

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the woman told him he would know this

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was true because she was going to give

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him a series of predictions of events

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that would come to pass from this date

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through the five-year period and she

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that was occurring right that moment

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several days away with people he knew so

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he certainly did we all checked it out

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and it was exactly true what the woman

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had told him going on in the other

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states actually had happened was

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verifiable

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of course this Maid of James a believer

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James was a valedictorian and a private

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prestigious school he had a career ahead

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of him where the sky literally could

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have been the limit

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but the woman had told him in five years

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you will be turned on to do your job it

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doesn't matter what you're doing or

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where you are and you will know this is

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true by the things that occur

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the first thing made such an impression

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that she was telling the truth that

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James's life was put completely on hold

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he dropped out of college he gave up his

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plans for a career his personal

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relationships became irrelevant and he

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thought I've only got five years I

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should party I'll make enough delivering

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pizza on a part-time basis that I can do

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the things I need to do before they take

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of course none of the rest of the events

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occurred

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but his life was effectively

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altered to his detriment by the lies

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that he had been led to believe and you

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know the best way to get someone to

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believe a lie is to sandwich it between

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a few truths

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which is what of course the woman did

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the five years by the way ended in

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August of 1993 and we're all still doing

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what we want where we want and we're not

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doing our alien jobs

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the aliens have given a number of

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stories to people throughout the years

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about who they are

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where they're from and we have a list if

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you compile this and at one point I

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think I tried to a list of origin Planet

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Origins for these beings that include

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everything from the planet lanocaine to

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they also have given us a variety of

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explanations as to why they're here and

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why they perform certain procedures

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often however these explanations are

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contradictory

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and without going into a great deal of

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detail I will point out just one example

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I report on this in the book taken

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several people abductees that and I have

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personally worked with have been shown

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cloned bodies a board craft or in

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facilities

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and we'll talk a little bit more about

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the details of these in a moment I just

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for purposes of the deception and the

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lying capability I will use this little

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story Pat who's one of the cases in my

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book was shown a copy of her body

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that was in storage with a number of

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other human bodies

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she was told it was for the resurrection

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and if you know your Bibles you know

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when the Resurrection comes we will all

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get new bodies Pat was raised in a very

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simple Christian fundamentalist

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background the aliens throughout their

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encounters with Pat and her family had

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used the religious symbolism to to bond

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with the family and to instill

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confidence in them they'd even had Jesus

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beam into the room at one point when the

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graves were abducting the grandmother

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Pat was told that this body this cloned

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copy would be her new body for the

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resurrection and this was extremely

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moving and religious for this woman

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however another woman

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also reported on in the book was shown a

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copy of her new body in an entirely

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different scenario of course and was

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told in fact if she didn't cooperate

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with the agenda the aliens had picked

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out for her she could be replaced with

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that body and nobody never noticed the

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difference

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and in the third case we actually had

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that occur on a temporary basis a woman

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was abducted on her way to work and

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shown on a viewing screen her clone of

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going to work in her place and nobody

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knew the difference

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so are these bodies for the resurrection

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blessed by God himself or are they

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threatened potential Replacements aliens

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didn't get their stories quite straight

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in those cases

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fact number three

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in encounters the humans perceptions are

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controlled as are the human's conscious

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memories now you already are very

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familiar probably from the work of

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Hopkins and Jacobs and others with the

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concept of screen memories especially at

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the onset or the conclusion of an

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abduction event right someone may see a

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strange owl instead of the or a little

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gray rabbit by the side of the car

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instead of an into your beautiful deer

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whatever these we're familiar with these

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screen events

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what we may not be familiar with is the

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fact that the screen techniques go well

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beyond such temporary uses in the

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phenomena

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and we'll talk about that a little more

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later also

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we're talking about control in fact

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number three it's also a fact that the

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perception of pain can be controlled and

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is controlled during these encounters

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with the particular abductees as our

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feelings of physical pleasure often

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sexual pleasure

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and of course the human's emotions are

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also controlled during these encounters

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the fact is you are in control of these

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creatures during every encounter to some

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degree more or less normally more

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fact number four false memories can

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overlay and disguise the actual events

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of an encounter and even with regressive

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hypnosis the abductee may recall false

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scenarios I'm not talking false memory

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syndrome as so much has been ballyhood

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lately in the Press it's not what I'm

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talking about

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the abductee can recall false scenarios

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even under regressive hypnosis unless

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some effective method is used in the

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hypnotic process

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to help the abductee bypass implanted

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illusions

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some of you have heard me talk before

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remember an illustration of this

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concerning a woman named Joy who in the

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1970s had an encounter a missing time

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and relocation episode in California I

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was driving in one town two hours later

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she's in another town has no idea how

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she's gotten there she's crying she's in

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hysterics and she feels totally

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abandoned and betrayed

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20 years later when

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additional incidents occurred and

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finally compelled joy to seek out some

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help to find out what was going on in

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her life one of the events that she

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looked at under hypnosis was this two

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hours of missing time in the early 70s

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she recalled in the initial stage

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that she was taken aboard a craft and

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brought by a Regal an awe-inspiring

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figure who looked like the king and head

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on the robe and was very much in charge

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into a room much like this

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stood before a Podium much like this

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gazed out into an audience of wonderful

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smiling little Grays not at all like

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this

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thank God

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and was given a book and told to read

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this book to the audience

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she looked at the book and it had blue

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symbols or figures on it that she had

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never seen and she said I can't read

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this I don't know what these symbols

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mean and she was she was told just put

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your hand over each symbol you'll

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receive the impression and then recite

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what you received to the audience so Joy

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did this and she would touch each symbol

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and as she did she would mentally

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receive a very warm uplifting wonderful

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spiritual message which she would then

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recite her audience and she went through

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doing this said the response she got was

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one of such love such overwhelming

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acceptance she was really awestrucken by

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the experience

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when the therapists are the hypnotists

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ask her to move forward there was a jump

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a gap in her story and suddenly she's

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back in the car

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crime hysterical and feeling very

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abandoned and betrayed

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now as you know that doesn't match up

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there's a discrepancy between the

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emotional state she was in in the car

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and this wonderful aw inspiring

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spiritual experience she had recalled I

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think you'll agree they don't match up

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the hypnotists noticed this notice the

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Gap and asked joy to first program her

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mental computer to perceive only the

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truth and second to back up to maybe

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five or ten minutes before she was in

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the car

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when she did Joy found herself in an

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extraordinarily different situation

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she wasn't reading a book to an a loving

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and warm audience she was naked

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suspended in a beam or tube of light

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being poked and prodded by a group of

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aliens who were using her much as a

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biological chart to explain as we might

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to students this is what this part does

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this is what that is and then she was

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put on a table tilt it at an angle and

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was forced to endure some sexual

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intrusions at this point Joy who could

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not move or talk was mentally screaming

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to God into Jesus with whom she had very

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great faith to help her to save her to

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make this stop and when it didn't

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and when she went through this for an

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extended period of time before being

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returned to her car Joy came back a

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changed person

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abandon and betrayed she felt by her God

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although she had no conscious memory of

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this event immediately upon her return

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it changed everything in her life for 20

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years her religion her sexual

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but without having the programming and

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help under hypnosis to see past delusion

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and perceive only the truth

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Joy would have been one of those persons

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telling you how wonderful it was to be

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with the great alien Brothers

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she would have never known why the

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trauma and the after effects she carried

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fact number four on my list is that

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sorry fat number five

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given all that I said so far it is

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effectively a fact that abductees like

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myself and so many of you while we

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report our experiences honestly and

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sincerely we are really reporting alien

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controlled information to the research

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community

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as abductees our situation is this we

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can see the aliens but we can't believe

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them

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and I know this from personal experience

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as well as from a number of other

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investigated situations with very honest

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very sincere people who are telling you

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just as I have told and others have told

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you what we honestly perceived as

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happening we're being honest but the

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Illusions and false memories and

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distortions and controlled perceptions

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and emotions and responses that we had

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do not accurately reflect always what we

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really went through

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fact number six

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there's a serious element of human

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involvement in the abduction phenomenon

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in addition of course to the very real

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alien

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participation you all know of course

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about many abductees the reports of

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being monitored harassed by human agents

561
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:19,039
of some sort cases of phone intervention

562
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:21,419
male intervention Helicopter

563
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,940
Surveillance Etc and I wish I had an

564
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:26,159
hour just to talk about the human side

565
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:28,020
of this phenomenon which of course I

566
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:28,860
don't

567
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,020
now and into the fridge for instance I

568
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:33,120
did report about my husband's abduction

569
00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:36,059
and interrogation and threats by the

570
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,900
military group in 1988

571
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,820
similarly at the time I had never heard

572
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:43,919
of such a thing and I found it even more

573
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,059
disturbing than the alien encounters

574
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:50,159
similar reports though have been made by

575
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,780
a number of other abductees some of whom

576
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:54,120
I'm sure you're familiar with such as

577
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,419
Leah Haley's case Alicia Davidson in

578
00:24:02,450 --> 00:23:59,640
California and some of you may be

579
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:02,460
surprised to know Debbie Jordan

580
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:06,000
and part of her experiences reported a

581
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,760
very similar human abduction and

582
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:10,679
interrogation it just never quite made

583
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,070
and taken there are four more accounts

584
00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:18,900
of women whose lives have been intruded

585
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,520
upon by what seems to be military human

586
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,200
forces and although I'm not at Liberty

587
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,360
as so many of us aren't in this field of

588
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,240
where confidentiality is everything to

589
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,940
present to you the hard evidence that we

590
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:34,440
have been able to gather in some of

591
00:24:39,049 --> 00:24:37,080
these cases I am convinced by the

592
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,059
evidence that we do have in a number of

593
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:41,400
these cases it's not an alien illusion

594
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:44,700
of military we've got names dates places

595
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:46,500
bases

596
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:52,070
fact number seven

597
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,419
whatever else it may be the abduction

598
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:57,120
agenda involves quite physical physical

599
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,100
aims and procedures

600
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,919
that tend to belie the idea of a

601
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,960
primarily spiritual motivation on the

602
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:05,760
aliens part

603
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:07,500
and much of what we see in these

604
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:10,020
procedures goes well beyond the alleged

605
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:12,780
aim of a cross-breeding program

606
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,940
if you think the aliens are only

607
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,159
interested in making hybrid babies then

608
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:19,260
I'll invite you to figure out what these

609
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:21,000
following procedures have to do with the

610
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,679
process

611
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,600
first you're aware of the various type

612
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,299
of implants into number numerous areas

613
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:29,940
of the body into the brain

614
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:33,480
through the year into the neck into the

615
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,340
spine

616
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:37,860
into the legs the hips and even in one

617
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,460
man's fairly notable case into the penis

618
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:43,320
some of these implants have been seen on

619
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:45,779
x-ray CAT scan and MRIs some of them

620
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:47,100
never show up

621
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,620
some have been physically recovered

622
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,320
but so far as I'm aware today and I do

623
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,240
invite those who may know better to

624
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,880
please correct me on this whatever

625
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,799
analysis has been performed on these

626
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:00,600
objects has not given us any Sensational

627
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,100
new information

628
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:04,260
we still don't have any proof of what

629
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,260
these things do in our bodies

630
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,900
what about the insertion of wires and

631
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:12,779
tubes into abductees in the chest in the

632
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,299
kidneys the ovaries the wrists the knees

633
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,240
and the feet as well as the taking of

634
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,159
human body fluids and the injection of

635
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,440
unknown substances into the body in

636
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:24,480
various locations

637
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:27,960
what about the brain operations which in

638
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,700
the statistics that I've been able to

639
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,559
look at in a very general way without

640
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:33,659
running them through the computer seem

641
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,720
to turn up as often almost as often at

642
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:38,880
least as the reported taking of sperm

643
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,620
and elbow

644
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,200
in the case is reported the individuals

645
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:44,640
who've undergone or think they've

646
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,960
undergone because you always have to

647
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,400
have that in the back of your mind give

648
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,740
an illusion who have undergone these

649
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:51,960
experiences use almost identical terms

650
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:54,059
in reporting what has happened to them I

651
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:56,100
felt like my brain was so my head was

652
00:27:01,789 --> 00:27:00,240
opened up and my brain was taken out

653
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:01,799
what about the deliberate pain

654
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,220
experiments meant to produce levels of

655
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:07,260
pain in the abductees Apparently for the

656
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,000
measurement study or pleasure of the

657
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:11,100
aliens who are observing them

658
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:13,080
I reported on one of these with James

659
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,240
and Into The Fringe he was put through

660
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,159
an extraordinarily torturous and

661
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,740
traumatic experience having holes

662
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,600
drilled in a row through the top of his

663
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,340
head

664
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:26,400
he received an apology for this sorry

665
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,500
but we had to do it

666
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:31,260
but no explanation for why he had to do

667
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:32,340
it

668
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,960
and most people are not given an

669
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:35,340
explanation

670
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,320
what about the other bizarre tests and

671
00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:39,000
procedures that are reported time and

672
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,100
time again

673
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,539
abductees immersed in water are some

674
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:44,100
liquid in which they're then forced to

675
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,140
breathe the liquid I think Hopkins and

676
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,880
Jacobs have made this fairly well known

677
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:49,679
to you they now included as one of the

678
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,419
standard procedures what does this have

679
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,340
to do with cross breeding

680
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,860
are being forced to eat or drink unknown

681
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,840
substances that that then produce a

682
00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:59,580
variety of after effects on the

683
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,760
abductees Angie reported on intake and

684
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:04,940
was given a bitter red liquid to drink

685
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:07,559
passed out immediately and came to in a

686
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,279
very passive hypnotic state in which she

687
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,320
then went through an interrogation with

688
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,659
a number of people

689
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,760
Ted rice another case that I've been

690
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,400
working on for a couple of years as a

691
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:22,740
child was given a pill to eat or swallow

692
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,659
that then produced on the 10 year old

693
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:28,320
boy the effects of an aphrodisiac

694
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,320
what about being forced to engage in a

695
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,779
variety of sexual not reproductive but

696
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,640
sexual situations

697
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,919
with alien beings with human looking

698
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:40,500
figures and with other abductees

699
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,779
frequently the alien sexual activities

700
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:44,400
are reported to be carried out by

701
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:46,820
Reptoid looking beings but not always

702
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:50,700
we've got reports of gray sex hybrid sex

703
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,880
and Nordic sex among others

704
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,159
and as Justice in one of Hopkins

705
00:29:02,049 --> 00:28:58,799
recently reported scenarios I think it

706
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,059
was on television last year on sightings

707
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,340
I described and taken how Lisa one of

708
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,559
the abductees reported on here was

709
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,659
forced to have sex with another abductee

710
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:11,820
in one of her encounters it was it was

711
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,059
extremely poignant situation after the

712
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,880
fact the man told her apologized to her

713
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,620
told her how sorry he was that he was

714
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:21,480
being forced to do this to her he said

715
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,340
they've been taking me since childhood I

716
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:25,200
don't know how to stop it and he gave

717
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,140
her his full name that's all he had in

718
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,480
his control to do

719
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,520
what about the cloning I mentioned this

720
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,039
earlier and I'm not talking about just

721
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,279
the potential and I think very uh

722
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,899
evidentially supported idea that the

723
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,640
little gray workers you're also familiar

724
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,200
with like the little guy down here on

725
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,140
the floor are cloned produced

726
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,679
manufactured like you know we do Fords

727
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,279
Chevys not just this kind of cloning of

728
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:55,140
the same sort of creatures to go out and

729
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,700
do the work

730
00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:00,000
but also the cloning of human bodies

731
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,500
which as I said have been shown to

732
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,140
abductees sometimes they match and are

733
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,140
identical to the human in the situation

734
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:08,880
sometimes they're just a bunch of

735
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,419
identical bodies and aren't adult bodies

736
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,360
in one case a man was taken to a

737
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,820
facility in which he saw a room in which

738
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,159
there were about 40 in our human bodies

739
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,039
20 male 20 female the males were all

740
00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:25,320
identical to each other the females were

741
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:27,299
identical to each other and they were

742
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:36,529
what do these things have to do is what

743
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:38,100
I've asked you to think about with the

744
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,260
cross-breeding agenda

745
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:42,120
fat number eight

746
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:43,860
all of the things that I've described to

747
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:45,720
you so far are part of the alien's

748
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:48,120
physical aims and procedures

749
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,559
but that isn't all there is to their

750
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,820
motivations

751
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:53,159
the agenda also involves the long-term

752
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,289
it targets among other Concepts our

753
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:02,340
social and personal relationships our

754
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:05,520
sexuality our political ideas and our

755
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,460
religious and spiritual concerns

756
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,279
for instance many of us through our

757
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:12,960
experiences and I think I could get a

758
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:14,700
show of hands on this

759
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:17,640
are made to be highly suspicious of our

760
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,350
and in general we become less trusting

761
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,760
and intimate with people outside of this

762
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,039
field and very paranoid often if people

763
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:31,200
within this field

764
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:34,919
as one of the women in the book Jane and

765
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:38,460
taken has said the aliens had fostered

766
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,880
in her mind a mistrust of the government

767
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:43,980
certainly it has changed most of

768
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,220
Dundee's spiritual concerns and social

769
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:52,850
with Pat also reported on intake and the

770
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,539
aliens as I mentioned earlier used a

771
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:56,340
religious approach in their contacts

772
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:58,620
with her telling her very early on that

773
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,120
they were angels

774
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,159
but as they said not as you've been

775
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,600
taught

776
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,880
and they even had Jesus as I said appear

777
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,799
in her bedroom to give us okay for a

778
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:09,600
subsequent multiple family abduction

779
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,360
event that occurred that night Pat told

780
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,919
me about this as her brother and sister

781
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:16,320
who also remembered the event and said

782
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,140
that Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes

783
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,840
and was very beautiful and wonderful

784
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,940
and I pointed out that you know this is

785
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,500
physically inconsistent with the

786
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,539
historical Jesus that we know about from

787
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,580
the Bible he's certainly probably didn't

788
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:31,559
have blonde hair and blue eyes

789
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,340
Pat could only say well this one did

790
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,399
on socio-political terms abductees often

791
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:40,679
find themselves obsessively interested

792
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,419
in ecology animal rights globalism

793
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,820
but I have yet to see the really hard

794
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,860
evidence other than the ecological side

795
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:51,059
of this

796
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:54,120
that this is a result of alien

797
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,700
programming our response a human

798
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,000
response to our own experiences which

799
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:02,279
tend when one goes through trauma to

800
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,100
make one much more empathetic to others

801
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,440
going through trauma

802
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,320
on more personal terms abductees often

803
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,000
go through specifically sexual

804
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,360
obsessions dysfunction and compulsions

805
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:17,940
now because of the personal nature of

806
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,460
sexual situations I'm sure that so many

807
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:22,320
of these reports I wish we had available

808
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,260
to us are not well known

809
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,740
in the abduction data body such as other

810
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,720
things like sperm Gathering all the

811
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,159
Gathering fetal extractions baby

812
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,620
presentations and so on now I know those

813
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,419
two are very intimate and very personal

814
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:38,700
scenarios

815
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,340
but it seems that humans we humans are

816
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:43,919
even more sensitive about our sexuality

817
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:46,440
and if you've ever known someone who's

818
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,000
had a sexual assault no matter how

819
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,700
traumatic unwelcome intrusive and

820
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,919
criminal the event may have been the

821
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:58,740
person tends to carry without a lot of

822
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:00,299
help to get over it the sins of Shame

823
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:07,370
this is also true for abductees

824
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,540
in private although these reports are

825
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:11,220
not often made public and private

826
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,659
abductees have reported not only

827
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:14,639
straightforward sexual encounters during

828
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:17,460
abductions as I mentioned earlier but

829
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,220
also the aftermath of such encounters on

830
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,619
their lives you would not be surprised

831
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,720
and again you might not be to know how

832
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:27,419
many abductees report obsessions or

833
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,179
compulsive masturbation after their

834
00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:32,460
experiences that they do not have

835
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:33,619
control over

836
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,899
overwhelming sexual appetites conversely

837
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:39,540
the loss of all sexual appetite or the

838
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,300
fear of sex as well as sexual obsessions

839
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,099
with people the abductees normally would

840
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:46,440
never be attracted to

841
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,659
fact number nine

842
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,520
with their advanced technology the

843
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,619
aliens can create virtual reality

844
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,200
scenarios that are usually absolutely

845
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:57,900
real to the perceptions of the targeted

846
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,460
abductee

847
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,859
now such capabilities have often been

848
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,040
theorized and hypothesized and discussed

849
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,680
in this field but for me they were

850
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,720
confirmed in an extraordinary case

851
00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:12,480
multiple case that I that have helped

852
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:13,880
research the last couple of years

853
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,220
involving an abductee named Ted rice

854
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:19,440
this is the one story I do intend to

855
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,380
tell in detail before going on

856
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,960
in the early 1990s Ted was in Florida

857
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,480
visiting an old friend

858
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,540
named Marie and she had also invited a

859
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,240
third friend a woman named Francis

860
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,220
as a house guest

861
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,740
Ted was in one room Marie and Francis

862
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:40,079
went to bed in twin beds in the other

863
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,220
room

864
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:43,920
shortly after going to bed

865
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,040
Ted heard his Hostess Marie screaming

866
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,960
Ted come here quick

867
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:50,880
popped up out of bed ran down the

868
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,380
hallway and as he approached the other

869
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:54,900
bedroom he could see a blue glow coming

870
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,839
through the open bedroom doorway

871
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:00,359
when he walked inside he saw a very

872
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:03,960
strange situation his host Marie was

873
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,079
pinned as far away up against the wall

874
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,119
as far away from the bed area as she

875
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,359
could staring fixed at one of the twin

876
00:36:18,430 --> 00:36:15,180
beds in which Francis was still lying

877
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:18,440
the bed was surrounded by a large

878
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,920
spherical blue energy field of some sort

879
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:24,780
through which little light seemed to

880
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:26,900
dark and move

881
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,140
Marie was I'm sorry Francis was raised

882
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,420
in a slightly raised position just as

883
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,520
she had been starting to sit up in the

884
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,500
bed and had been paralyzed in that

885
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:43,069
Ted and Marie yelled at her what you

886
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,760
know are you in pain can we help you

887
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,800
what's wrong she could barely hear them

888
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,480
and when she did answer them they could

889
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:50,220
barely hear her and this is in a small

890
00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:51,900
bedroom

891
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,119
she for several minutes they observed

892
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:56,400
was carrying on a conversation with the

893
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,660
ceiling

894
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:59,760
and then a few minutes later she was

895
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:01,500
carrying on a conversation with the foot

896
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:02,940
of her bed

897
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:05,940
a few more minutes passed and this fear

898
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,339
of electrical energy disappeared and

899
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,619
Marie was able to move sorry Francis was

900
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:13,320
able to move again when she set up she

901
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,300
told them what she had been experiencing

902
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,240
it had begun she said hearing the sound

903
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,579
of a helicopter low over the house and

904
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,440
in fact she had turned to her Hostess

905
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:24,660
Maria and said what's a helicopter doing

906
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:26,760
over the house this low this time of

907
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,720
night

908
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:29,700
I already said What helicopter I don't

909
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,380
hear anything you're dreaming go back to

910
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,480
sleep

911
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,400
Francis said no don't you hear that

912
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:37,980
helicopter at that point she had started

913
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:41,040
to sit up that's when the blue sphere of

914
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,030
Francis told them after this was over

915
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:49,500
that the it had seemed as if the ceiling

916
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:51,300
dissolved or disappeared and I've heard

917
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,740
this over and over and over again and

918
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,780
she could see through the ceiling up to

919
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:56,640
the trees above the house where there

920
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,619
was a little strange crash she thought

921
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,359
it was a copter when she heard the sound

922
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,160
but as she looked up it was not like any

923
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,740
Cocker she had ever seen and within this

924
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,540
were two alien creatures which she

925
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:09,060
described in physical detail with which

926
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:10,980
she carried on a conversation for

927
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,180
several minutes

928
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,760
and then she said they came out of the

929
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,440
craft and beamed down to the foot of the

930
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,540
bed didn't you see them and where she

931
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,760
carried on another few minutes of

932
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:22,680
conversation

933
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,260
when the spirit disappeared so did the

934
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:28,560
aliens so did the invisible ceiling and

935
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,510
s had not been able to see the blue

936
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,560
sphere of light around the bed

937
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,320
all she had seen was a craft

938
00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:43,079
heard noises had a conversation with two

939
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,540
alien entities

940
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:48,000
Marie and Ted who were outside of this

941
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,960
field watching this saw and heard only

942
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,359
the blue sphere if they had not been in

943
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:56,700
the room to observe this Marie would

944
00:39:02,510 --> 00:38:59,820
have Francis would have believed With

945
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,520
all sincerity that she had had exactly

946
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:04,980
the encounter she thought she had

947
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,290
fact number 10 and this is the last of

948
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,400
my shortlist of facts it is a fact that

949
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,500
the aliens show a mysterious interest in

950
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,060
the human soul

951
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,760
and I say mysterious because of the

952
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,040
kinds of things they do and say

953
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,720
concerning him

954
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,880
and this part of the phenomenon is so

955
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,280
rarely discussed in public that I don't

956
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,440
think we really have a good pool of data

957
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,020
to proceed on a serious discussion but

958
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:35,880
I'd like to bring it up because it is a

959
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,980
fact that the interest is there and

960
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,900
mysterious and we should be concerned

961
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,940
about it there are a number of

962
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:43,500
intriguing reports that we could start

963
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:46,380
with for instance a young girl who the

964
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,260
aliens ask if they could borrow her soul

965
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,480
two of different abductees totally

966
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:53,880
different totally uh isolated from each

967
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:55,859
other it happened to both come from the

968
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:58,380
St Louis area both shown at the age of

969
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,619
five a gigantic metallic spherical

970
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,079
object somewhere in space and we're told

971
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,060
in essence it was the sole recycling

972
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:07,680
center

973
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:11,220
reports of abductees who recall apparent

974
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,260
past lives in which they've inhabited

975
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:15,960
alien bodies with their souls and even

976
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:19,619
in one case a man who watched as his

977
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,920
young body was killed and his soul

978
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,040
energy released

979
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,040
captured in a container and taken to a

980
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,960
new replacement body where it was

981
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,300
reintroduced into the body through the

982
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,520
technology of the little black box you

983
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,839
might have heard about in some of these

984
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,640
cases

985
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,520
for me that's the end of my list of

986
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,640
facts so I'd like to move on to the

987
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,740
other two categories beginning with

988
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:52,910
propaganda is defined as any association

989
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,220
system or concerted movement for the

990
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:58,680
propagation of a particular Doctrine or

991
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,060
belief

992
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,240
with me on that what I've learned from

993
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:05,099
my own experiences and the research into

994
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,040
this field with others shows me that the

995
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:10,079
aliens are clearly practicing such

996
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,579
programming

997
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:13,619
and they are propagating a number of

998
00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:15,960
beliefs within abductees and through

999
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,260
their reports to the UFO Community

1000
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,579
specifically and then to the population

1001
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:22,440
in general

1002
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,740
they shape our beliefs in part

1003
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,200
at least our beliefs about them in part

1004
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,240
by the physical appearances they appear

1005
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,960
to us for one thing and through the

1006
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,180
virtual reality capabilities that I just

1007
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,760
described to you they can and do give us

1008
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,560
any illusion they choose during

1009
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:42,540
abduction scenarios

1010
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,540
one young man a young boy abducted with

1011
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:47,280
his grandmother in a situation I don't

1012
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:48,780
need to go in

1013
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:51,740
uh was brought had brought into the room

1014
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,060
the grandfather just happened the

1015
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,359
grandfather had been dead for six years

1016
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,900
another case in which other many cases

1017
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,760
in which celebrities are well-known

1018
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,240
figures are used to in a scenario to

1019
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,280
persuade and abductee to participate in

1020
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,640
this or that others procedure Jesus

1021
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,859
turns up very very often he's always

1022
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,560
blue eyed blonde hair and I'm sure that

1023
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:18,000
doesn't you know maybe if we were in

1024
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:20,660
India we'd get Krishna I'm not sure

1025
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:23,700
masking entities when the Illusions have

1026
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,280
been seen through and they often are

1027
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,560
and one I think particularly important

1028
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:30,240
although I've cited it before I think

1029
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,040
it's worth repeating until the entire

1030
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,980
account and Into The Fringe a young man

1031
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:37,140
who was compelled to go out of his house

1032
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:39,060
in the middle of the night as we you

1033
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:40,619
know under control you go where you're

1034
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:41,940
supposed to go and there is some

1035
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,800
evidence we get up and take ourselves

1036
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:45,720
out to be abducted whether we know it or

1037
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,760
not

1038
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,440
compelled to go outside for an encounter

1039
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,960
and they're waiting for him was a Nordic

1040
00:42:58,089 --> 00:42:54,660
a beautiful blonde woman

1041
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,099
probably the spinning image of simeonzi

1042
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,260
who was waiting with open arms and a

1043
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:03,000
loving look a little bit attractive

1044
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,859
alluring look in fact for him to come

1045
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,440
into her arms and he reached out she

1046
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,599
reached out for him and Drew him towards

1047
00:43:14,109 --> 00:43:11,880
her and being under control as we always

1048
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,119
are he went for it

1049
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,800
expecting to get an Embrace and a kiss

1050
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,319
as the arms wrapped around him the image

1051
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:22,260
of semiasi disappeared and what was

1052
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:25,079
holding him was not blonde beautiful or

1053
00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:26,280
human

1054
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,099
and what he got was not a kiss

1055
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,680
but being thrown to the ground pinned

1056
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,960
down with claw marks the next day around

1057
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,420
his neck where this had been held down

1058
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,940
while a two foot Rod of some sort was

1059
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,920
rammed down his mouth down his throat

1060
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:42,960
into his stomach where the extraction of

1061
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,540
juices then took place leaving him with

1062
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,520
the external claw marks the scrape

1063
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:49,920
throat and the taste of bile for quite a

1064
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,270
the aliens Foster a belief

1065
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,640
I think in their beauty and their

1066
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,859
compassion with us through such means is

1067
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,839
showing us pretty people

1068
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,000
I think they realize we're not as smart

1069
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,220
as we think we are

1070
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,560
and that we often equate Beauty with

1071
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,720
goodness and you and I both know that's

1072
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,180
not always the case

1073
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,520
they also Foster a belief in the alien

1074
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,040
human cross-breeding scenario

1075
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,619
through such a great repeated procedures

1076
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:25,140
is fetal implants and extractions sperm

1077
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,940
and over Gathering baby presentations

1078
00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:29,819
and so on but I think as Stanton warned

1079
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:38,690
without external confirming evidence we

1080
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:41,339
cannot accept this as proof If We

1081
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:43,079
believe the aliens in our race can

1082
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,819
interbreed however it serves a lot of

1083
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,800
propaganda purposes it makes us think we

1084
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,380
have some shared commonality which makes

1085
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:51,119
us more receptive to their presence and

1086
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,160
activities if we think we share

1087
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,319
Offspring with them this belief binds us

1088
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,720
to them even more so just as Royal

1089
00:45:01,730 --> 00:45:00,240
marriages used to try to bind competing

1090
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,740
political parties when one wanted

1091
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,420
control over the other

1092
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:05,880
the cross-breeding scenario also can

1093
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:08,339
lead us to see ourselves subordinate to

1094
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,619
the aliens and dependent upon them when

1095
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,240
they tell us this is the only way your

1096
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,060
race is going to be able to survive and

1097
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:18,119
they reinforce our dependence on them by

1098
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,859
warning us of the impending disasters

1099
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,440
from which only they can save us

1100
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:24,660
I wish I had time to discuss what they

1101
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,240
may really be doing with the sperminova

1102
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,520
and Fetal material they take from us but

1103
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,160
I have yet to see confirmed proof that

1104
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,020
it has anything to do with hybridizing

1105
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:36,480
either their species or ours

1106
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:38,099
through the manipulation of what we

1107
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:39,780
think they're doing and what they tell

1108
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,700
us they also propagate the belief that

1109
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,960
their intrusions are ultimately

1110
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,599
beneficial in purpose in spite of the

1111
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,980
fact that so much of the specific

1112
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,020
abduction events are in painful

1113
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:50,760
traumatic and debasing to the person

1114
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,960
involved

1115
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,420
we have many well-known accounts

1116
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,400
abduction accounts or should I say

1117
00:46:01,630 --> 00:45:58,980
contact accounts in which a person has

1118
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,640
been given a very positive

1119
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,200
spiritual

1120
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,220
experience sometimes with physical

1121
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,380
healing or expanded intelligence of

1122
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,599
psychic abilities and these abductees

1123
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,300
feel very compelled to go out and tell

1124
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,700
you about their situations and Proclaim

1125
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,859
that the spiritual benevolence of the

1126
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,920
aliens is all there is to it and such

1127
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,560
reports can almost make you forget about

1128
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,780
the numerous other reports and which

1129
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,720
abductees experience great pain

1130
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:29,040
suffering during their abductions as

1131
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:31,079
well as severe sometimes even fatal

1132
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:33,300
physical After Effects and emotional

1133
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,160
distress afterwards

1134
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,680
some apologists for the aliens call such

1135
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,220
problems unfortunate but unavoidable

1136
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:43,200
as if they were privy to the do's and

1137
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,780
don'ts of the alien conduct

1138
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:47,640
but if inflicting pain or permanent

1139
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,760
damage can be controlled and avoided in

1140
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,099
certain cases we can have and do have

1141
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,140
the right to ask why is it not extended

1142
00:46:59,290 --> 00:46:57,780
to all abductees which it certainly is

1143
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,300
not

1144
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,920
just real quickly one case I reported

1145
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:03,780
intake and Beth Puerto Rican woman

1146
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:06,359
abducted in the late 1970s along with

1147
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:07,619
some of her children and her husband

1148
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:09,480
went through a series of very strange

1149
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:11,579
physical and spiritual events during

1150
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,819
this abduction afterwards suffered with

1151
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,280
a persistent weeks-long Ranch that no

1152
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,680
one could explain severe nausea for days

1153
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:21,960
afterwards headaches blinding headaches

1154
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,740
severe hair loss and such damage to her

1155
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,500
eyes that she developed cataracts and

1156
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,300
she was a very young woman this call for

1157
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:31,680
surgery of course to remove the

1158
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:34,500
cataracts and the surgeon found evidence

1159
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,300
that she had had previous eye surgery

1160
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:40,079
which she of course had never had

1161
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:43,079
we have reports over and over of of

1162
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,260
diseases distress

1163
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,900
sometimes fatal situations following

1164
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,119
immediately upon abductions as well as

1165
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,520
the wonderful healing cases that are out

1166
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,160
there they do exist but if they exist

1167
00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:58,079
for one why didn't they not exist for

1168
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,839
all and I think we need to ask that

1169
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,240
proper propaganda techniques also

1170
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:05,280
include perpetrating good cut bad cop

1171
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,560
situations or good alien bad alien

1172
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,060
situations

1173
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:11,400
um you know how many accounts tell of

1174
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:13,500
a painful traumatic events taking place

1175
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,180
during an abduction and then they stop

1176
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:18,420
when the good alien enters the friendly

1177
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,099
one The Protector who makes it all

1178
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,260
better and takes away the pain

1179
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,660
finds us to them we've got to help her

1180
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,940
reminds me of what goes on in some of

1181
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:28,680
the abduction and hostage situations

1182
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,280
we've been familiar with over the years

1183
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,440
these things tend to instill in the

1184
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:36,480
abductive sense of awe

1185
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,280
a sense of fear

1186
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,880
a sense of vulnerability and a very very

1187
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,680
strange way a sense of bonding and

1188
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,540
identification through that protector

1189
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:48,180
alien figure making a subordinate and

1190
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:49,380
vulnerable

1191
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,200
in our relations with them the aliens

1192
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,480
start early in the abductee's life to

1193
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,280
instill Notions that the abductee

1194
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,560
somehow belongs to the aliens is alien

1195
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,839
property sometimes telling children as

1196
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,640
they told me that they are their parents

1197
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,800
that the human parents have are not the

1198
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:07,140
real parents that they are our we are

1199
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,250
aliens say they have the right to do the

1200
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,060
things they do to us they never show us

1201
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,880
however the warrant for that right

1202
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:19,980
they Pro they Foster our belief in the

1203
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,180
cross-breeding agenda and if all we had

1204
00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:26,819
to go on was the data related to this

1205
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,619
that would be a very acceptable Theory

1206
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,240
but I hope I've made clear to you by

1207
00:49:37,329 --> 00:49:32,460
what I presented Heritage for that's

1208
00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:40,849
in a handful of cases well I I don't

1209
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,859
have time we're coming to a limit here

1210
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,240
abductees have even seen these wonderful

1211
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,579
hybrid fetuses that that are supposedly

1212
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,619
going to either save their race or IRAs

1213
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:51,540
race depending on who which alien you're

1214
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:53,339
talking to at the time

1215
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,420
deliberately destroyed in one case

1216
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,980
Blended up as we would do a milkshake

1217
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,140
and when the woman would destroy in

1218
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,780
great distress protested this was told

1219
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:05,819
in effect by the alien don't get so

1220
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,740
excited it wasn't really alive anyway

1221
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,839
and don't worry we won't waste any of

1222
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,000
the physical material

1223
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:14,640
I wish I could go into a series of other

1224
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,940
reports along this line that bring block

1225
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:20,280
after block of evidence upon which to

1226
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:23,300
build the idea that we should not accept

1227
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:25,740
hybridizing and cross-breeding as the

1228
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,520
agenda but again time is of the essence

1229
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:32,040
programming also occurs with the sexual

1230
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:33,900
scenarios that are carried out and again

1231
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,700
without getting into the details they

1232
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,859
are mostly reported by abductees to be

1233
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,380
invasive unwelcome and traumatic having

1234
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:43,140
after effects on the sexuality of that

1235
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:45,300
person sometimes for years afterwards

1236
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:47,339
there are a lot of details we could

1237
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,839
discuss maybe during question and

1238
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,119
answers we can in general alien

1239
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,520
propaganda seems designed to promote the

1240
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,400
superiority the proprietary nature and

1241
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,440
the benevolent status of the aliens and

1242
00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,660
the subordinate dependent position of

1243
00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:02,339
humanity

1244
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,619
to close I'd like to talk a little very

1245
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:06,480
quickly about the issue of fantasy

1246
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,140
fantasy refers in in some of its

1247
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,780
um definitions to

1248
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:15,440
suppositions resting on no Solid Ground

1249
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:18,180
And I think you can see already we've

1250
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:20,460
had alien fantasy propagated and

1251
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,579
perpetrated Upon Us in scenarios I think

1252
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,040
more disturbing sometimes is the fact

1253
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,260
that there's come to be such a strong

1254
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,900
element of fantasy or fantastic thinking

1255
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,420
in the abduction research community so

1256
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,579
that we've we've made the mistake of

1257
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:37,319
basing our theories and ideas and

1258
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:40,140
responses upon what is essentially alien

1259
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,420
controlled reports from abductees that

1260
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:44,760
cannot be taken at face value even by

1261
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,980
those of us who go through them these

1262
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:50,400
have led to Fantastic theories those

1263
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,300
with no basis on solid evidence and you

1264
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:56,280
and I have heard many many of these

1265
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:57,960
statements made to the point where it's

1266
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:00,780
divided the community and into a point

1267
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,180
where we now refer to camps

1268
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:05,579
of opinions as if the soldiers on one

1269
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,900
side of the field are getting ready to

1270
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:08,640
take on the soldiers on the other and

1271
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:10,859
this is not the way it should be

1272
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,319
we base our theories on fantasy and

1273
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:16,559
we're never going to find the truth

1274
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,339
I wish I could end with this replying to

1275
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:23,160
one of the statements I consider fantasy

1276
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:24,420
oriented

1277
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,059
the Aliens Must Be benevolent because

1278
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,520
they have the ability to conquer us and

1279
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:31,740
they haven't invaded us if they wanted

1280
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:34,260
to conquer us they could therefore they

1281
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:35,940
must be our friends

1282
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,240
and my reply first is every time a

1283
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:42,420
person is inducted there is an invasion

1284
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,599
also please remember there are many more

1285
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:47,880
sophisticated ways to invade than to use

1286
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,420
men weapons of mass destruction if they

1287
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,240
can control and manipulate the way we

1288
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
think the things we see and how we

1289
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,040
emotionally respond they don't need

1290
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:05,870
I have to bring this to a close and I

1291
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,339
would like to say that we must I think

1292
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,700
get rid of the fantasy element in our

1293
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:13,619
thinking in this field we have our own

1294
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:16,380
human needs and desires that that also

1295
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,059
help shape our thinking not just the

1296
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,480
alien Control Data that abductees report

1297
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,160
we do not want this to be a bad

1298
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,260
situation therefore we don't let

1299
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,839
ourselves think it could be we do not

1300
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:30,300
want to thank our government is involved

1301
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,980
in any way in this because it's too

1302
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:34,200
frightening the implications are far too

1303
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:36,119
frightening so we ignore them or deny

1304
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,760
them are rationalize them

1305
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,280
we feel so helpless sometimes to affect

1306
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,140
any change in the abduction scenario

1307
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,540
that we forego focusing on the big

1308
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,520
questions and resign ourselves in effect

1309
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:50,099
to abduct etherapy

1310
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,099
which of course is necessary but it's

1311
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,500
not abduction research

1312
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,599
the point is not so much learning how to

1313
00:54:01,730 --> 00:54:00,000
live with a situation as it is finding

1314
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:01,740
answers to the questions of who and

1315
00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:05,339
Truth these beings are why they're here

1316
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,800
what technology they possess that allows

1317
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,839
them to implant and control is to clone

1318
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:11,760
our bodies to harvest our energy and our

1319
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:13,260
physical material

1320
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,819
and to find out what our government

1321
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:16,980
knows about this agenda and what it may

1322
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:20,339
be trying to do about it and why part of

1323
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,500
that involves intimidating surveilling

1324
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,380
and even abducting abductees

1325
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,319
I think these are the ideas now in 25th

1326
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:30,240
year anniversary of move fund when we

1327
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,280
have to look forward to where ufology

1328
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:33,960
should go in the field of abduction

1329
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,119
research these are the areas that I

1330
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,099
would Advocate we concentrate our

1331
00:54:43,069 --> 00:54:40,319
energies in spite of whatever wishes

1332
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,079
fears and prejudices we bring into this

1333
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,780
there is no room for Fantasy in our

1334
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,040
thinking about the potential